As the economy has declined over the past several years we’ve all become more aware of federal spending issues, and it has become fashionable to bash those lazy, can’t-be-fired, overpaid government employees. A study by the Heritage Foundation in 2010 and another by the Congressional Budget Office in 2012 both found that federal employees are paid more than those in the private sector.
Guess what: I’m a government civilian employee, a fed. Yes, one of the snakes out to crush the life out of you.
Don’t worry, I’m not a secret socialist, this is not to disagree with the fact that some feds as a whole are paid more, and you’ll never hear me calling for more government, just the opposite. The federal government is getting smaller now and much deeper cuts will come. This is to add some context that media summaries of the larger reports don’t stress enough.
I decided to work for the government because I wanted to be in a certain field where you pretty much must be either a fed, government contractor, or military, and I’ve been all of those things at one point or another. As a side note, before I was evil I was stupid. Back when I came into the federal workforce and the economy was good, many people felt those taking government jobs, or even going into the military with a commission, were idiots, a lot more could be made in the private sector. Times change.
This is longwinded but has a point. From a survivalist’s vantage, if you think collapse is immanent you may not care much what goes on with the government as long as it doesn’t affect you directly before that happens. Fair enough. I tend to see us as being in a slow collapse right now that could trigger a fast one unexpectedly and must eventually if nothing changes, but it could also drag on for many years or even decades. Though I think it unlikely, we as a country and civilization could somehow not collapse with enough dumb luck (our politicians sure aren’t going to fix what’s wrong).
If this slow collapse we’re in does take a long time to wind down to TEOTWAWKI, how and where we cut the government does actually matter. In part how we can defend ourselves, but also how the rest of the world deals with us – especially in trade – is due in no small part to our military power. The Department of Defense is 35% of the federal civilian workforce. Unfocused budged can easily hurting our national defense.
This could affect our access to energy, other imports, policies on exports, etc. that would in turn influence inflation/deflation, what goods we have, and of course jobs. Maintaining some global influence will be important as long as we’re in this slow collapse.
In the larger scheme of things, we could cut defense out of the budget entirely and in a few years mandated increases in Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, and interest on the national debt would eat up that savings – and we’d not have a defense/military.
I’m not saying that because I’m in defense and trying to save my job. Being on the inside I can say yes we need to cut a lot but we’d better be damned careful where we do cut. We do have a lot of deadwood. There are people that are not productive, there are departments or divisions or offices that are redundant or of no real use. On the other side of that, we need to cut carefully and there are some dedicated folks who give it 110%.
Some of this anti-fed sentiment seemed to have fueled part of the rationale for a government shutdown in late 2011. The shutdown is an examples of something that sounds like a good idea but isn’t, unintended consequences. Yeah, let’s stick it to those government employees; give them a taste of furlough!
The problem is that government shutdowns end up costing the government more, even if federal employees aren’t paid for the time they’re off. I’m not saying this because I’m a fed, I’m saying this because it is in reality a lose-lose situation and I don’t want my tax dollars pissed away any more than the next guy.
Getting back to those reports and the public opinions they help drive. The studies control for years of experience, location, etc. One problem with this is that many of those in defense actually have occupations are not in the civilian workforce, but are comprised of highly educated employees. Many have security clearances and other specialized skills that just don’t translate that well.
That is the case with where I work, there is no good private sector comparison. We all have at least a four-year degree (most have advanced degrees), clearances, perhaps another language, and specialized experience and training. Where I work even the janitors have security clearances and get higher pay for it.
In this time of slow collapse the government is finally starting to downsize. Right now it’s mostly through attrition. Eventually it will be through axing entire departments, if we get that far if and before a fast/total collapse.
What can any of us do about it? Besides voting for candidates that we think will cut the budget with some thought and research, not a whole lot. But this doesn’t mean you’re helpless, you can add this to your list of indications and warnings that help you gauge where we’re at. Understanding they “why” can help you determine the “what” to do about it best for you. Sometimes that’s all we can do.
The cuts are coming for all of government and tougher times for everyone, but how it happens will probably matter. If we’re going to go down anyway, I’d rather not have the U.S. end up being China’s or even Russia’s bitch before it does.
And next time the anti-fed bashing begins, remember it’s not as black and white as some say. There are sometimes unintended consequences. Some feds are on your side.


I’m one of those lazy, over-paid, can’t get fired state government workers! I’m one of few that owned a business prior to coming to the state government. I look at how I operate in my job as a business owner and it gets me angry some of the waste that I am forced to be a part of. “No Amazon, do not refund that five cents I was overcharged. It will cost the state $500 to process it.” And it did…
I agree that in times of good, working for the government is thought of as a stupid decision while when times are bad we are just leaches sucking out more money than we deserve. I’ve always said that when comparing government jobs to civilian jobs the people who don’t have a degree and can start from the bottom and work their way up are almost always paid more than in private sector. Those needing a degree or two get paid less than private sector. It used to be that the retirement and health coverage was to make up for the lower salary. Since those haven’t been well run the general population is after those “perks”.
I was offered a private sector job a couple years ago; doing almost the same thing I do for the government. Fewer hours, 30% more pay, and it included medical and retirement. I didn’t take it. Why? Because some of us idiots are under the impression that working as a government employee, doing our job well and with pride, will be useful to the state or country. After all, if the smart ones all leave for better paying private jobs, then the state and country are being run by the mediocre. But, they offered the job to me again and at some point I may tell state service adios and go back to private industry.
Keep up the good work and don’t let the sheeple get you down. There’s a saying “the best government is no government”. I don’t like that saying. I’d just prefer a small government to the monstrosity we have now.
The anti-government worker movement seems to have come from the anti-union movement in Wisconson, NJ and other mostly Northern States. Municipalities made foolish deals with their Unions and then demonized the Unions. Lots of wishful thinking all around.
But many States don’t allow their workers to Unionize, and the deal that a handful of municpal workers have been promised (but cannot possibly ever collect on) is not the deal that most government workers have.
Whatifitistoday,
Yes, another motivation for being a fed when I could do it as a contractor for more was patriotism. These days add stability, as contractors can come and go easily. And these days I’m coming up with a Plan B to escape the government type jobs, but it’s not an easy shift after all these years. I’m too specialized of a cog, a lesson learned.
Russell,
I do recall that, but also there was that sentiment for the federal government shutdown – I was sort of attuned to it! I don’t know if any in my specific field are in a union but I doubt it. No one gets too political where I am/in what I do ~ the Hatch Act abides. I’m paying a percentage of my salary for a pension I’m pretty sure I’ll never see, in addition to Soc Sec, etc. I like my work, it’s interesting and often rewarding, just want to get the hell out of DC.
Something I forgot to mention in the post. Another aspect of employment with certain DOD entities is the “mobility agreement.” This means you can be moved to different locations at (their) will, including to the sand/rock boxes. Of course they can’t make you go, you can quit. A gal in my office was involuntarily sent to Iraq and a guy to Afghanistan. I have volunteered/served in war zone deployments so wasn’t on the non-vol list. Not sure how studies would take that into consideration.
Thank you for your insight. I have learned sometning the lame stream media has never mentioned.
I take your point about the dangers of cutting defense too deep and in the wrong areas. From what I’ve been reading tough, the only part of the federal government that is going to be cut is defense. In fact, according to Congressman Paul Ryan, the US Government spent more on social programs alone last year than it collected in taxes! I read some months back that the US has spent ten times as much on social programs in the last ten years as it has on the wars. The wars are too costly (in both treasure and blood), but the leeches are what’s sucking America dry. All areas of federal government other than defense are increasing in size and cost according to everything I can read.
State governments have shrunk in recent years. They had to, because there was no money to continue on as before. Even after the recent recession, many have still not gotten it into their heads that ALL tax revenue comes from business, both large and small. When the free market shrinks, tax revenues shrink, and government finds itself unable to continue to grow without increased deficit spending. States and local governments cannot spend more than they take in. The federal government does not have such restraints.
I have noticed something locally: Nearly all of the middle-aged men I know who were in the construction business when it collapsed have managed to go on disability. They waited until the unemployment checks ran out and exchanged them for disability checks. The percentage of Americans who work in the free market and produce goods and services, in other words wealth, is getting smaller every day. The number of people on social programs is increasing by the thousands every day. If all of my generation (boomers) retire in the next ten years, that’s another 78 million nonproducing walking liabilities for the few left who actually work and pay taxes. The camel’s back is already breaking.
There is no painless way out of this mess. The US can turn Left or Right or run down the middle, but every direction means a lot of angry voters and a stormy decade or two ahead. Greece is coming to your neighborhood.
Perhaps I should add the fact the IRS reported that 50% of tax filers last year earned only $26,000! I do not think many of them will feel sorry for government workers.
As a fellow Civil Servant, I agree with you 100%. I retired from the military as a SNCO and then went on to work as a contractor with DoD continuing to do what the Gov’t spent lots of money training me to do. I now proudly “serve” the United States as a Civil Servant (not Government Employee…big difference to me).
I am and have always been a proponent of smaller, limited, and efficient Government. What I find odd though is that DoD seems to have the largest target on it. Clearly the DoD is the largest of the government organizations but one must also understand that the DoD is the only Constitutionally authorized organizations.
It is refreshing to know that there are other Feds out there that are reasonable and rational people. Perhaps I spend too much time reading the bitching and whining on GovExec.
Thanks for the post!
Govt has a proper function: the protection of individual rights. That’s the cops, the military, the prisons, the courts, and their necessary support structure. One can include a few things that are arguable like the CDC.
Everything else should get the meat ax.
What’s mine is mine, what’s yours is yours, and what’s his/hers is his/ hers.
And the purpose of govt is to kee it that way.
As a sailor in the 80′s and 90′s, I saw enough fraud, waste, and abuse by the civil servants that it still turns my stomach to think about it. Doing a GS-9′s job for him while he was God knows where, and when I could sneak away for a smoke break I’d see the same group of GS’s playing euchure in the galley every day, all day. They’re all long retired by now, and probably drawing a 50k+ pension and full health benefits. I know all aren’t that way, but can’t help remembering it whenever I’m at the post office or the state DMV. Seems the only time they work hard is around quitting time, which is why I don’t bother showing up at any gov’t office before 4:30pm if I can help it. They’re motivated to clear the backlog and go home then. My advice to a shiftless Nephew of mine (that I love) years ago? Take the civil servants exam, and wait your turn to get in. Easy work, good pay, great benefits, pension, and little chance of getting fired (course he’s a white male, so the last one may not apply due to EO laws). Hell, why not? My taxes today would pay his salary if he had, and April 15th wouldn’t seem quite so bad if I thought about it in those terms. He’d have been no worse than some, and better than many maybe.
No offense, and like I said I know not all are that way, but God I sometimes hope the gov’t screws your future over like they’ve been screwing us in the private sector for decades. Maybe then we can finally get the r3volution party started. Thanks.
Anon,
There are lazy SOBs everywhere, we all have to work with some. The govt has already screwed over all our futures, it’s done, just not everyone know it yet.