To me this election was a choice between the lesser of two evils. Actually the last few have been that way for me. Unfortunately for America, lesser lost. Probably in the future more stupid Americans will vote more of our freedoms away. Maybe it’s just part of the cycle of greatness and decline the empires go through, I don’t know.
As I’ve mentioned before, Obama doesn’t really care about the Second Amendment. Along with the re-election of Obama, consider that a long-time anti-gun senator – Dian Feinstein – is probably planning a gun grab, perhaps like this country has never seen:
- – No pistol grip allowed
- – No [high capacity] Mags
- – No grandfathering
- – No sale permissible if in possession
I don’t see “no grandfathering” as realistic in America. Any such legislation won’t go anywhere for at least two years since the Republicans hold the house and it won’t go through them. The house will be up for grabs again in two years.
Obama might get the opportunity to appoint anti-gun justices to the Supreme Court. A few high profile mass shootings might be all it takes to push the pendulum of popular opinion far enough, long enough to do some real legislative/legal damage. Once those freedoms are lost, I don’t see how we could get them back without bad things happening.
Obama could also use executive orders to limit our Second Amendment freedoms. I’m particularly worried about access to ammunition, including having to have a permit to purchase ammo, limits/rationing, ending cheap imports, etc. It could happen.
Go buy what you need while you can.
E.O.’s and the UN will be the route Barry will choose. Due to the failure of Republicans to secure any new Senators, Congressional gridlock will continue. Personally, I do not care what they ‘try’ and do with gun control, they may never get the opportunity. We will fall off the fiscal cliff before you can count the number of Federal gun laws!
Ya I believe he will first move through the UN treaty figuring he can get it ratified by the Senate. Then executive order the sales of weapons and add ons. I doubt they will move directly to confiscation for some time because I think they know especially right after this election that bullets will fly for sure then. Ammunition will be another move but just like the Chicago ammo ta stuff will prove more expensive to enforce than it is worth.
The quickest and easiest action Obama could take is to ban the importation of guns, ammo, and all accessories, such as magazines and spare parts. All of that could be (and has been done in the past) with a stroke of the president’s pen.
Not long ago, Russian Wolfe AK ammo was $60 or $70 for a 1,000-round case. It didn’t cost much more to shoot AKs or SKSs than a .22 long rifle, and the premium .22 ammo was actually more expensive. The carbines and ammo were both so cheap, price alone was more than a good enough reason to own an AK or SKS, if only for plinking. You could also build your own AK from parts kits for about $150. Those days are gone, but today’s prices will seem just as low a few years from now. Stock up.
How much ammo should people keep on hand? That depends on how much you shoot. If you shoot 12,000+ rounds a year, and there are many who compete with handguns that do, you will need to keep a lot more in storage than someone who shoots only 50 rounds a year. For someone who shoots a lot, 100,000 rounds is not too much, in fact it’s probably not enough. For hunting and defense, the number of rounds to store would be small. It is training and practice that eats up a lot of ammo. Without training and practice, the value of the guns and ammo is much reduced.
“Obama could also use executive orders to limit our Second Amendment freedoms. I’m particularly worried about access to ammunition, including having to have a permit to purchase ammo, limits/rationing, ending cheap imports, etc. It could happen.”
Obama can not use EO’s to limit your Second Amendment rights or any of the Ten for that fact. He can use an EO to stop the importation of firearms and ammunition thought. The Supreme Court ruled on this issue in “Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer”. The ruling said Presidents can not make law through EOs. We need to stop spreading this misinformation about EOs. Let leave the misinformation to the left!
As far as the U.N. treaty in concerned, don’t be! Under Article II, Section 2, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution 2/3 of the Senate must vote in favor of the treaty for it to be ratified. That is 67 Senator not the 55 the democrates currently have. Again let get the correct facts out there and leave the misinformation to the left.
3rdMan,
Importation of whole classes and types of firearms were banned by EO in the past and the same for ammo (Chinese AK armor piercing ammo, even though many states allow AP ammo for rifles). The ATF has many times changed their minds and ruled a firearm that was legal to import for decades should suddenly without any reason be banned as not suitable for sporting use, this includes shotguns. There was NO Congressional action involved. The ATF (like the EPA, etc) is a mini Congress in fact, if not in name.
The above alone could raise the price of training with your guns by thousands of dollars a year. If you don’t train, your guns are almost as useless as a bug out pack that you have never carried more than fifty yards. BOTH guns and packs must be used on a regular basis to be of much use. It costs only time and sweat to hike ten miles several times a week with a 50 or 100 pound pack load, but training with firearms takes thousands of rounds a year, and cheap ammo makes that a lot less costly. The Democrats do not want gun owners to train.
As to Obama being a danger to our liberties and the Constitution, he is as dangerous as FDR was. Keep in mind that when the Supreme Court ruled many times against FDR’s Socialism, he threatened to destroy the Court as an institution by stuffing it with his Socialist cronies, and the Court backed down, giving FDR the chance to use the Constitution for toilet paper. The Supreme Court started out with ZERO power of constitutional oversight. They grabbed “judicial review” out of thin air. It’s not in the Constitution anymore than there is anything that prevents the president from stuffing the Court with Socialist or Communist cronies, as FDR threatened to do. If FDR could make it a ten year felony to own gold and lock Americans in race-based concentration camps without even a charge, what is there to stop any president from doing the same thing or worse?
John,
The Supreme Court ruling was made 1952 after FDR did what he did. That is what has changed concerning how EOs are employed since that time. FDR also had the political cloat in Congress to carry out his threat to add more Justices to the court, that is not the case today. The President can through EO direct the ATF to interpet the laws on the books involving the importation of firearms to meet a certain criteria. To your comment that Congress was not involve is not correct. They are the one who pass the laws contained with the USC that ATF uses to interpet with can be imported and what can not be imported. The ATF did not write the USC, Congress did.
I do not like how things turned out with the election anymore than anyone else but the bottom line is President Obama can not use EOs to make law. We need to stop speading this misinformation that he can. Will Obama attempt to get Congress to pass sometype of AWB, yep you bet. Will he be sucessfully, not in the next two years and most likely not at all. What worries me most is the fact that he may get to appoint at least two Supreme Court Justices in this term. It would be a return to a Liberal Warren type Court for the next 40 plus years and that scares the hell out of me.
3rdMan,
ATF did not write the law, BUT they have full authority to decide what the law means, and do so at will. Recently, out of the blue, the EPA decided that laws ALREADY in place made lead bullets illegal. Only ONE thing stopped them, and that took some time before the EPA admitted they were overstepping their powers. That one thing was the fact the original law that started the EPA in the first place stated that bullets were specifically excluded from EPA powers. I hope you are not arguing that we have more constitutional protections today than in the thirties when FDR destroyed the concept of a constitutionally limited federal government that today spends seventy-five percent of its budget on wealth redistribution despite the father of the Constitution, James Madison, writing that charity is no legislative duty of government at all and that the federal government is to deal with international matters and leave the domestic issues to the various States. As for the Supreme Court, Obama will likely get a chance to replace two or three justices in the next four years. Gun bans are very possible after that.
As for FDR’s clout with the voters, that was because he was America’s first Socialist president and was the first to practice wealth redistribution (ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court until he threatened to destroy it). Of course he was popular with the leeches, as Obama is today. It would be easy for Obama to get a pass on unconstitutional EOs by simply using some kind of a crisis such as a terrorist attack or even an economic emergency, just as FDR did with the Depression and then the war.
I’m not concerned about the next few years as much as the next ten or fifteen. Obama and the Democrat Party, and sometimes the Republican Party, has been chipping away at constitutional protections all along and it will not take too many more years to finish the job.
No I would agree we have less Constitutional protection now than before FDR. As far as the EPA they never declare lead bullets illegal, they rejected a petetion submitted by environmentalist groups led by the Center for Biological Diversity. The reason for the rejection was as you said that lead bullet were exempt from the EPA’s regulatory authority. I think for the most part you and I are just preaching back and forth to the chior!
Prepping should not be done out of a sense of panic. Yes, it is good to have a plan to secure the firearms, ammo, and accessories you feel you might need for chaotic times. But… I would never do this in a panic, overspend, and then find myself lacking in some other area. Calls to panic come frequently. Remember how Obama was going to destroy the 2nd amendment in his first term? Such calls to panic are the worst type of prepping advice. Get squared away with the basics ASAP and then build up gradually from there. The tortoise will do better than the hare.
John,
Whatever Obama, who has a lifelong obsession with gun bans, had planned when he gained office, those plans went up in smoke when the Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment is actually a part of the Bill of Rights and therefore it enumerates an individual Right just like the rest of the Bill of Rights (what a shock!). The fact Obama did not push for what he obviously really wants (yet!) does not mean those who accurately pointed out Obama’s history of promoting a TOTAL handgun ban were wrong, just that the Supreme Court managed to thwart his plans for a few years longer. The Supreme Court does not normally like to second guess former Court decisions, but several justices have stated that they would love to undo that decision as soon as one more liberal justice is appointed. Obama may still get his way. He certainly has four more years to get it done.
I would think that most survivalists already have plenty of guns, but many do not have enough ammo and MOST do not have enough training in how to use their guns.
My guess is that it’ll be months before any gun/ammo issues come up, but buying should be done as soon as possible. If you’re a prepper/survivalist reading this and don’t have enough guns/ammo, you should panic. You can get a job to earn cash. You can grow food. Most likely you cannot make a firearm and need to buy them. I like bolt action rifles, but if you want a semi-auto AK/AR/Mini/etc., look into getting them ASAP. And ammo. And accessories.
Obama may not legally be able to use EOs to inhibit the Second Amendment. But I don’t think the administration is too concerned with what is legal. For example, he made appointments while congress was still in session, which he cannot legally do. But he did it.
SS-
That is the real issue, Barry’s ability to skirt the laws of the country. Without the fear of re-election hanging over his head….he is free to do almost anything he pleases. With the help of a willing press supporting him!
Too late now!
Not yet, but it is time for some near-panic buying, I fear some executive order BS in the near-term.
John on 09 Nov,
What?
SS,
What are you asking by “What?”
Oops, my fault, I meant the other John, @1032, who wrote, “Prepping should not be done out of a sense of panic.” For those who didn’t have what they feel they need, if some buying had been done in Nov-early Dec, would not be the issue it is now.